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nimiq
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: Help with Igenex Results Thx... |
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IGENEX- IGG RESULT POSITIVE
CDC/NYS-RESULT NEGATIVE
18 kDa -
**23-25 kDa -
28 kDa -
30 kDa -
**31 kDa +
**34 kDa IND
**39 kDa -
**41 kDa ++
45 kDa -
58 kDa -
66 kDa -
**83-93 kDa IND |
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Charolette
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Help with Igenex Results Thx... |
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| nimiq wrote: | IGENEX- IGG RESULT POSITIVE
CDC/NYS-RESULT NEGATIVE |
Were there any IgM results received? |
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nimiq
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Help with Igenex Results Thx... |
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| Charolette wrote: | | nimiq wrote: | IGENEX- IGG RESULT POSITIVE
CDC/NYS-RESULT NEGATIVE |
Were there any IgM results received? | Its crazy my doctor doesn't now how to read the results so i don't know but i have the results |
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nimiq
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Help with Igenex Results Thx... |
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| nimiq wrote: | | Charolette wrote: | | nimiq wrote: | IGENEX- IGG RESULT POSITIVE
CDC/NYS-RESULT NEGATIVE |
Were there any IgM results received? | Its crazy my doctor doesn't now how to read the results so i don't know but i have the results | All tests came back negative except for Lyme Western blot , Igenex IGG positive CDC/NYS-Negative.. All this fancy test crap is making my head feel like a Pumpkin Lol.. |
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nimiq
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Help with Igenex Results Thx... |
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| nimiq wrote: | | nimiq wrote: | | Charolette wrote: | | nimiq wrote: | IGENEX- IGG RESULT POSITIVE
CDC/NYS-RESULT NEGATIVE |
Were there any IgM results received? | Its crazy my doctor doesn't now how to read the results so i don't know but i have the results | All tests came back negative except for Lyme Western blot , Igenex IGG positive CDC/NYS-Negative.. All this fancy test crap is making my head feel like a Pumpkin Lol.. | Charolette IGM Was negative on both.. |
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Hope
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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IgG means that you have chronic lyme disease and that the infection is not an acute/current/recent infection according to the results.
IgM is considered an acute infection, but it can sometimes go back and forth between IgG and IgM as the infection becomes more active again.
The double starred bands are the ones that are directly related to the borrelia infection, so I copied and pasted them below to simplify the explanation.
You have 5 double starred bands that are showing a positive result and directly related to borrelia infection.
Bands 31 & 41 don't appear together as a positive in the first year after getting infected.
Band 31 is positive with one +
Band 34 is IND (indeterminate) and this is considered a weak positive
Band 41 is a strong positive with two ++'s
Bands 83 - 93 is IND and again a weak positive.
With both 31 & 41 band #'s having plusses beside them, this gave you the positive. If all the bands had IND, I'm pretty sure you would have gotten an IGeneX negative.
You only need 2 of the starred (**) bands with a plus beside it to be positive. The CDC does not recognize only 2 bands as positive. They want to see 5 bands as positives or they say you are negative. We know this is false information, but that's how they get away with saying that so many people don't have borrelia.
**23-25 kDa -
**31 kDa +
**34 kDa IND
**39 kDa -
**41 kDa ++
**83-93 kDa IND
I'm curious what the starred bands in your IgM results show even though they gave you a negative.
I hope this helps! |
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nimiq
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Hope wrote: | IgG means that you have chronic lyme disease and that the infection is not an acute/current/recent infection according to the results.
IgM is considered an acute infection, but it can sometimes go back and forth between IgG and IgM as the infection becomes more active again.
The double starred bands are the ones that are directly related to the borrelia infection, so I copied and pasted them below to simplify the explanation.
You have 5 double starred bands that are showing a positive result and directly related to borrelia infection.
Bands 31 & 41 don't appear together as a positive in the first year after getting infected.
Band 31 is positive with one +
Band 34 is IND (indeterminate) and this is considered a weak positive
Band 41 is a strong positive with two ++'s
Bands 83 - 93 is IND and again a weak positive.
With both 31 & 41 band #'s having plusses beside them, this gave you the positive. If all the bands had IND, I'm pretty sure you would have gotten an IGeneX negative.
You only need 2 of the starred (**) bands with a plus beside it to be positive. The CDC does not recognize only 2 bands as positive. They want to see 5 bands as positives or they say you are negative. We know this is false information, but that's how they get away with saying that so many people don't have borrelia.
**23-25 kDa -
**31 kDa +
**34 kDa IND
**39 kDa -
**41 kDa ++
**83-93 kDa IND
I'm curious what the starred bands in your IgM results show even though they gave you a negative.
I hope this helps! | Thank You Hope I can finally Start some kind of treatment... |
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sw_emigre
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Hi Nimiq:
Hopefully you'll find a way to have access to a LLMD/ND who can guide your treatment. It seems that only LL people actually read the CDC guidelines, which state unequivocally that Lyme is to be diagnosed based on clinical presentation, and NOT due to blood work. A LLMD will look at your symptoms, and look at the blood work as secondary info. Most all of us have been in your situation, where we hope the blood tests will finally give a name to our problem. I'm sorry it isn't as clear-cut in your case, but a good LLMD will give you some reassurance.
The CDC also states clearly that the blood tests are to be used only for data collection, and not as a diagnostic tool. When they standardized the test sometime in the early 1990s, they made it restrictive so that when it came time to collecting data, there would be 0% chance of false positives. People can argue if they had an ulterior motive in this; for my part, I get mad at doctors, especially ID docs, who insist they diagnose based on CDC criteria, and then basically do the exact opposite. The CDC criteria isn't the problem, it's doctors who deliberately ignore it. |
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nimiq
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sw_emigre wrote: | Hi Nimiq:
Hopefully you'll find a way to have access to a LLMD/ND who can guide your treatment. It seems that only LL people actually read the CDC guidelines, which state unequivocally that Lyme is to be diagnosed based on clinical presentation, and NOT due to blood work. A LLMD will look at your symptoms, and look at the blood work as secondary info. Most all of us have been in your situation, where we hope the blood tests will finally give a name to our problem. I'm sorry it isn't as clear-cut in your case, but a good LLMD will give you some reassurance.
The CDC also states clearly that the blood tests are to be used only for data collection, and not as a diagnostic tool. When they standardized the test sometime in the early 1990s, they made it restrictive so that when it came time to collecting data, there would be 0% chance of false positives. People can argue if they had an ulterior motive in this; for my part, I get mad at doctors, especially ID docs, who insist they diagnose based on CDC criteria, and then basically do the exact opposite. The CDC criteria isn't the problem, it's doctors who deliberately ignore it. | sw_emigre thanks for input,Idid remember being bit 1 year ago, Was driving at the time had to pull over as it was intence burrowing on my forearm Spongy ugly looking beast swollen up from my blood i would say, Got it off my then went on my way, Went to bed that night and woke up in the morning thought i had a stroke. Felt Nausea like being in another body..Neuro problems still grinding my teeth every day have to use a mouth gaurd or i cant talk properly Brain is totally scrambled at times... |
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